If you are interested in how real estate really works, you’re not going to want to miss this one.

This week, we talk to Josh Krsnak, CEO of Hempel Real Estate, about his path to running a growing real estate company in the Twin Cities. He talks about growing up in Rochester, pouring over the tax code before he was 25, sleeping in a closet of one of their buildings every night when he was still getting on his feet, and almost losing it all.

Now, his team has a portfolio of marquee holdings that include the West End in St. Louis Park and Lasalle Plaza in downtown Minneapolis, where he was able to fill close to 100k square feet in office space last year while the market lost nearly five times that.